Wednesday 19 November 2008

Birth Canal Conundrum

There's a lot of debate on the internet, of varying degrees of quality, but very little gets as vociferous as the religion vs. science battle. I find it quite difficult to get involved with this because although I largely come from the scientific corner, I actually think that each field has precious little of value to say about the other. Most of the arguments that you read, most especially on the comments sections of any relevant articles in major publications, are just a series of conflicting straw men with no hope of ever agreeing on a frame of reference, let alone striking some sensible dialogue.

There is one thing I think most sane people can agree on, however. Each of us has a world view (for want of a better phrase), and our world contains evidence as to the true nature of things. When we encounter a conflict between our world view and evidence, then it stands to reason that one of the two must be wrong in some way.

This got me thinking, as I chanced upon an article detailing recent fossil evidence that suggests large birth canals in early hominids (allowing delivery of large-brained early hominid sprogs) evolved hundreds of thousands of years earlier than previously thought. I wondered to myself, and cannot stop wondering, what young-earth-creationists think when they encounter such evidence. Do they just ignore it? Do they assume it is patently wrong? Or some kind of scientific conspiracy to undermine their beliefs? Or do they simply not read such surreptitous publications (the BBC News website)? To someone who genuinely believes that the earth is only a few thousand years old, debating whether early humans appeared 200,000 or 2,000,000 years ago is utterly irrelevant and a total waste of time. But surely there must be some spark of interest, some nagging question as to why other people believe that fossilization of bones takes much longer than the supposed life-span of the earth. The cognitive dissonance must be excrutiating. Or perhaps not....

A diagram detailing the evolution of red underpants (3.2 million years ago to the present day)

11 comments:

Anonymous said...

didn't you read my post about the perils of thinking too much?

:-)

Lazy said...

They look at this sort of thing not as evidence of another way of thinking, but see it as proof of their beliefs. This is a group that believe in the actual Satan, horns, trident, etc. walking around and trying to actively corrupt the believers. When stuff like this comes up and goes against the literal writings of the bible, it proves that Satan is still trying to put doubts in their minds and win the eternal war.

Oddly am watching the third part of a documentary about evolution.....

Somnambulist said...

@nursey - actually I did. Perversely, it got me thinking...

(as opposed to most of your other posts, which get me thinking perversely).

@lazy - Thanks. Presumably suggesting a good dictionary that contains the actual definitions of words like "omniscient" and "omnipotent" would be a waste of time then...

I hope the doc is a good one. Did you watch the first two parts, or just skip the single-cells and Cambrian explosion bits?

Lazy said...

Watched the first two parts too. It's been a nerd doc kind of evening.

Did you know that there are creationists that believe dinosaurs roamed the earth with Jesus and that Neanderthal skeletons are evidence of flood cloud related rickets?
not kidding either...

Somnambulist said...

@lazy - actually I was, since I stumbled across a review of the "Creation Museum" and couldn't help noticing that the curators had been watching too many 60s B-movies.

Anonymous said...

Remember the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy? Clearly Douglas Adams had come across this kind of non-thinking for he invented Slartybartfast to explain it all. ;)

Anonymous said...

If I remember correctly, US president George Bush (2000 - 2008) worked hard to put "faith based government" into operation.

If it's good enough for him, it's...

Andrew Goulding

Somnambulist said...

@laog - If I was the praying type I would be praying that the great American people wake up in January, wonder for a moment what the bizarre 8-year dream was all about, and then get on with restoring their country to its rightful place in the world...

Somnambulist said...

@Jay - Remember THHGTTG?! Probably my all time favourite book, Jay, and Douglas Adams is a significant influence. His favourite target has to be the absurdity surrounding bureaucratic jobsworths. We get a lot of them around here, and it helps to put on my D.A. specs at times ;-)

Anonymous said...

Optimistic, though I am, let's not get too excited about what St. Obama can do.

Remember, about 48% of Americans voted Republican, irrespective of the last 8 years AND over a billion dollars spent on advertising.

My real optimism is that they'll give the vote to the 20 million illegal immigrants, who will then predominantly vote Democrat for the next 20 years.

By that time many of the republican religious right will be with their maker and the USA will have to properly redefine American Republicanism as a party of ideas and entrepreneurial-ism, not a front for Bible-bashing thugs.

Andrew Goulding

Somnambulist said...

@laog - firstly I am hopeful that the new administration will take a little more circumspect view of the rest of the world and diffuse some of (valid) criticism of arrogance... I am also encouraged by the voting demographic - America's youth seems to be rather mature. Maybe I'll take another look at golf course homes in Florida :-)